Guinta seeks action after multiple drug raids
By DALE VINCENT
New Hampshire Union Leader Staff
Thursday, Oct. 22, 2009
Mayor Frank Guinta says he has requested an emergency shutdown of 3 Cousins Pizza in Manchester and would seek a revocation of its liquor license after the arrest yesterday of three women on drug charges.
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We all (men or woman) have the ability to sell drugs but do we want to pay the price when the inevitable occurs? I sure gon't.
- LT, Manchester
- Mel, Manchester, NH
- Jean, Manchester
The mayor & his cronies need to put the public first for once.
- Steven B, Manchester
- D.J., manchester
- concerned citizen, Manchester
- T.B., Manchester
But another group smokes dope in public and even sells it every afternoon on Elm St, but they are all "clean-cut white kids" who seem to mostly be computer bums. The police just drive by and smile at their crimes. Why the double standard??
- Jon, Manchester
You are an idiot. Are you a Free Stater?
- Debra, Manchester
- Bob, Boscawen,NH
- Scott, Manchester
- Eric- Lost Patron, Manch Vegas
I mean we throw people that have never even been on probation befor in prison for driving after habitual offender. Lets try and fix these people instead of throwing them away because when they max out they are released with no "Leash", and back they go. You wanna be a hero Mayor Guinta or Mara, you wanna rise to the occation? Im calling you out! I'm pulling your card! Stop throwing them, us away and start trying to FIX them, us. I say us not because I have a drug problem but because unlike you and most cops and authority figuers I dont think I am better than other people espcialy the ones that are weak.
- BAMBOO, Manchester
When dealers are busted and their drugs are seized, supply is temporarily reduced. As a result, the market price goes up. Since the market price goes up, it provides a financial incentive for dealers from other areas to move into the area to fill the demand that the busted dealers had been supplying. When the supply is greater than the demand, prices go down, reducing the incentive for more dealers to move into an area. I believe that it would be in a city's best interest to target only dealers who use violence because eliminating non-violent dealers will increase the number of violent dealers in the city. No matter how much money is spent on shutting down dealers, there will always be someone looking to profit from the sales of illegal drugs. The more profitable a trade is, the more likely someone will choose to engage in it. If prohibited drugs were legalized, businesses could sell them just like they sell alcohol, tobacco and coffee. During alcohol prohibition, violence was rampant because it was a profitable trade and those participating in it couldn't call the police because someone was trying to steal their booze. Their only option was to deal with it themselves, often with violence. Now that alcohol is legal, we don't see suppliers holding up their competition's trucks or doing drive-by shootings at their competition's stores or homes. Instead they compete by trying to produce a better quality product for a lower price. The reason that there is as much violence associated with illegal drugs as we have is because they are illegal. Before they were prohibited by the government, Americans could go to their local apothecary and buy cocaine, morphine and other drugs without Federal or State prohibitions. The drug trade didn't start having problems with violence until the government passed laws prohibiting the sales of those drugs in the free market. When something gets scarce, whether due to rarity or regulation, the price goes up. When a market becomes very profitable, people who love money will get involved in it. If it's illegal, people who love money and have no regard for the law get involved in it. There is a problem, but it was caused by the government because men in power wanted to increase the scope of their power, and used fear tactics to fool the people into subjugation by making them think that objects are to be feared and that expanding government's control over our lives would make them safer.
- Tim, Somersworth
- Mike, Allenstown
There will still be pool tournaments most likely at 3-Cousins when they re-open eventually.
Touchy people!
- Julie, Manchester
Whine, whine, whine.
- David Goss, Manchester
- T.B., Manchester
Some people are clearly upset about this but the gear the raiders wore, and even the time it took for all of this raid to take affect is something that most everyone knew was going to happen. Yes, even the people who worked there and the people who patronized the place. I myself would never have thought it would happen with people dressed the way they were but it happened that way and I'm sure there were reasons for it.
Why would anyone bash the MPD for doing what the tax payer's money demands them to do?
This will all be a memory after a while and 3 Cousins will be back after the liquor license is back. We'll still be able to get food, a beer and see people we know.
- Julie, Manchester
- Melissa, Manchester
CHEERS!!!
Cheryl, Mark, Al. F, Alex, chris, Caroline, Bobby, Heather, Sandra, luis, edwin, tracey, amy, willie, papo, john, al. p, april, Jessica, Janice, Rick, ed, elizabeth, rose, al, roger, paul, stacey, debbie, bunnie, wayne, andy, pauleen, bobby W, Mark, Leona, scottie, betsy, angel, booger, and chooch!!!
BOTTOMS UP!!!!
- T.B., Manchester
How did manchester have it's deadliest days that I have ever seen the same day that the city had this raid planned? What is going on here? Are we ready for a camera on every block? What will stop this crap?
- Rob, Concord
- Joe, Manchester
- jim, manchester
- gwen, manchester
- Dan, Manchester
- Brent, Manchester
- Jim, Manchester
- Jeremy, Concord
You cant just look at someone and say I will not serve you because of the way you look or I think you may be selling drugs.
Last thing I need is a lawsuit for discrimination.
Now the Police tell me it's up to me to turn things around?
They tell me I can't allow smoking inside anymore, so the customers go outside on the "City Sidewalk" and start talking to loud. Neighbors call the police, the police come and say their going to fine me if these people don't keep it down. How? I've asked them to please be quiet, I can't put my hand over their mouth. My front door go's right to the "Public Sidewalk" I've asked them to leave (hurting me) they just go out front where I can't do anything.
"TRUE STORY" Guy pulls into my parking lot, hits another car, he gets out, is DRUNK from ANOTHER bar, we call police, they show, they tell me there is nothing they can do because it is on private property.
And MPD tells me I've got to change my ways?
- Jason, Manchester
- Dan Paul, Manchester
- Jack Alex, Manchester
- Mike, Manchester
- Stacey, Manchester
Ed, I think police blue BDUs would be appropriate for raid settings. Unless of course, they're getting ready to take down Bambi and Thumper out in the woods. Hmm, even the last game warden I saw wasn't wearing woodland BDUs.
Mack, Manchester, I don't know if Lyndeborough officers have BDUs; I've only seen them on duty in their standard uniforms. Not sure where you're getting the Abercrombie and Aeropostle thing, unless you're trying to suggest that blue BDUs cost more than woodland. Last time I priced them, they were the same. As for "professional khakis and collared shirts", when I was in, we had them (specifically, blues for me, since I was USAF). Have all the services abandoned non-field uniforms now? I've been out quite a while.
I never claimed that police on raids shouldn't wear appropriate clothing. I only wondered if woodland pattern in a city was appropriate, and why they need lycra balaclavas. Police officer and soldier should be very different jobs, and it disturbs me to see police officers dressing up like anonymous soldiers.
- Carl Bussjaeger, Lyndeborough
- Michael, Manchester
Obviously, an urban environment would be best suited for black or Urban MARPAT, however, most likely, the Manchester ERT was told, here... these woodlands are your call-out gear, enjoy!
Regardless if they were wearing Halloween costumes, or the best cammies money can buy, simultaneous raids with no reported injuries, that's what counts. The Manch ERT are a great group of guys and they are squared away. Nice work boys. Good guys won again.
Virtus Sub Incendia, 1*
- Seth T, Portsmouth
- Lynn, Manchester
Furthermore, only thugs cover their faces.
- CDR, Lebanon
Apparently you didn't read the entire article. It clearly states that there were several raids conducted throughout the city. Which means the tactical team was used more than once. How many tactical teams do you see across the country outfitted in Abercrombie or Aeropostle to conduct a tactical operation? I know things are a little slow in Lyndeborough and maybe the Wranglers and flanel shirts are common attire, but try and educate yourself as to why these officers are dressed to encouter mutiple situations. Maybe you should suggest the military go to professional khakis and collared shirts for a much more kinder gentler way of handling these scenarios...
- Mack, Manchester
They are swat police officers, would you prefer them not to have kevlar either?
- Jim, Sutton
Narcotics laws established by the Misuse of Drugs Act are very strict.
* Anyone caught with more than or equal to 15 g (0.5 ounces) of heroin, 28 g (1 ounce) of morphine or 480 g (17 ounces) of cannabis faces mandatory capital punishment, as they are deemed to be trafficking in these substances. The stated quantities are the net weight of the substances after they have been isolated by laboratory analysis. Between 1991 and 2004, 400 people were hanged in Singapore, mostly for drug trafficking, the highest per-capita execution rate in the world.
- Brian, Farmington
- Ed, Bedford
Try the academy for a day? Actually, I went the full course; Honor Graduate, even.
If these guys need BDUs, blue BDUs are readily available. Woodland pattern is silly for operational city wear. And surgical gloves and masks are better biohazard protection than lycra balaclavas.
- Carl Bussjaeger, Lyndeborough
kudos and great duds to MPD
- Dale A., Manchester
- Lynn, Manchester
- Concerned and Sympathetic Patron, Manchester, NH
- BH, Goffstown
That's not to mention the stolen shopping carts that just walk away by themselves driving up grocery prices for the rest of us!
- A citizen, Manchester, NH
One handful taking the ingredients of "the police don't do anything," the other handful that when the police do try to, they're doing it wrong.
So which one of you is explaining how to do it right? Will it be the one that says there should be one cop assigned to every person in the city so when a call is made, the response is immediate? Or is that the one who knows there are so many cops on duty and so many calls to handle.
Charlie there makes a point - maybe lousy pizza is an indicator. Certain pizza joints, especially those that deliver, have been and are a major part of the drug distribution network - everywhere; big towns and small. Doesn't apply to every pizza place, of course. Clientele is an indicator, as are those doing the delivery. This isn't new news.
Guess the point is that it is a blender, with so many mixed together problems going on, all the time. And law enforcement is demanded to constantly keep the ingredients separated out and respond to each and every one. It's simple math, not physics.
The PR message being sent yesterday was clear enough - please help us figure out what the ingredients are, and in what proportion; we want to do better and do our best. And if people aren't talking because they're afraid, we need to get past that.
Although as many aren't talking because they want their particular vice left alone. Well it's not that simple, because it's all in the blender.
The final point is maybe the most vivid. If it's gotten to where police must wear assault gear, etc., to confront the problems of American neighborhoods - then that's what it has come down to.
I'd just as soon each officer remain alive and well, so they can respond to the next call. Including the calls when people want them to be there - meaning when it's their problem, not just somebody else's.
- RP, New Boston
- AG, Manchester
- Ted, Manchester
No wonder you got crushed when you ran for alderman and state rep.
- Rich, Manchester
- Bill, Manchester
- Matt, Manchester
But regarding the absurd tactical uniforms? Yeah, I'm not laughing with you, I'm laughing at you.
- Rich, Manchester
- Kate, Manchester
- Jim G., Manchester
- Sally, Manchester
- Floyd, Manchester
Chief Mara,
Why don't you live in Manchester?
ALK
- ALK, Manchester
- james, manchester
I lived a few blocks from there at one time. I used to call the police somewhat regularly and just like A Wood said, good luck. Regardless of the propaganda you read, MPD doesn't really want to take any action. First they will come up with every excuse not to take your call (go visit your local substation that is never open), then they prefer to show up to calls after all of the danger is gone and just fill out reports. I understand they can't be everywhere, but what percentage of calls do they do any more than take a report?
- JAC, Manchester
Growing up in Detroit and having lived in other large cities around the country where the violence surrounding drug sales is much worse than it is here in Manchester, I've noticed that the problem only gets worse after raids like these. And it will get worse here over time, as I'm sure many of the residents in Manchester have noticed over the past few years.
Maybe it's time for a different approach.
- Mike Tiner, Manchester
- DM, Hampton
- Dallas, Manchester
Residents usally don't speak up because they are afraid of what would happen to them or their families. Its a code of silence out of fear. Charlestown, MA had a problem with this.
- Frank, Londonderry
- Jerry Thomas, Manchester
- Bob, Manchester, NH
- Rob, Portsmouth
- charlie, manchester
And now I hear a person was killed in that area over night.
Glad to call the Westside my home.
- Stewart Griffins, West Manchester
But why the jungle fatigues?
These are hefty female druggies. Not the Viet Cong.
- Bill Howard, Exeter
- Marc, Derry
- Marc, Derry
- Robert, Manchester
- JJ, Manchester
- Stacey, Derry NH
- Peter Sorrentino, Manchester
- K, Manchester
- James Cruzak, Manchester, NH
As for calling the MPD - that's funny.
If they answer the phone, and that's a big IF, you get sent to someones voice mail. If it is after 6 PM, chances are pretty good if they answer the phone, again a big IF, you'll get told "There isn't an officer available right now"
The best way to find a cop in this city is to find a construction site. Between 9 and 5 that is.
- A Wood, Manchester
- Carl Bussjaeger, Lyndeborough
- molly K, bedford
Even the children who pass through my neighborhood from the schools on Weston and Jewett, walking home to that area, exhibit the same disregard/disrespect of the community. They live what they learn. It's a shame and a direct reflection on their parents accetpance of anti-social behavior.
- Tim, Manchester
- Dave D., Manchester
- Rick Olson, Manchester
- Fred, Manchester
- Robert M Tarr, Manchester
- Deirdre, Manchester, NH
TONIGHT!! God Bless and Thank you to Dave Mara and MPD, The NHSP, DEA, FRANK GUINTA AND ANYONE ELES WHO HELPED PUT A LID ON THIS ON GOING PROBLEM THAT HAS BEEN PROBLEM AND AN EYE SORE TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD FOR YEARS AND YEARS. 15 PLUS YEARS I MIGHT ADD!!ILL FEEL SAFER ABOUT THE CHILLDREN OF MY FRIENDS NEIGHBORS!! God Bless!! Silver street resident!!
- RMD, Manchester NH
- Tonya Ferrara, Manchester NH
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